Comments on: Watch out ProZ, here comes Google Translation Center http://www.globalbydesign.com/blog/2008/08/04/google-translation-center/ Adventures in Web Globalization Wed, 17 Mar 2010 14:06:34 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Asia Translate http://www.globalbydesign.com/blog/2008/08/04/google-translation-center/comment-page-1/#comment-32699 Asia Translate Wed, 14 Oct 2009 03:09:03 +0000 http://www.globalbydesign.com/?p=1252#comment-32699 Proz could do with some further competition to keep them on their toes. I very much doubt that SMEs and MNCs will take the risk of appointing a translator directly. By appointing a translation agency they have a level of assurance and accountability in a legal context, especially if the translation agency is formed as a limited company. Furthermore, they would surely realise that the long-term benefits of forming a relationship with a translation agency are greater than the short-term savings of going direct. Proz could do with some further competition to keep them on their toes. I very much doubt that SMEs and MNCs will take the risk of appointing a translator directly. By appointing a translation agency they have a level of assurance and accountability in a legal context, especially if the translation agency is formed as a limited company. Furthermore, they would surely realise that the long-term benefits of forming a relationship with a translation agency are greater than the short-term savings of going direct.

]]> By: Roberto Henderson http://www.globalbydesign.com/blog/2008/08/04/google-translation-center/comment-page-1/#comment-25399 Roberto Henderson Thu, 26 Mar 2009 12:55:57 +0000 http://www.globalbydesign.com/?p=1252#comment-25399 John, your blog made me consider MT matters. It seems that competition in the business is tough. Google are famous and have a free translation service, Facebook are having their site translated into many, many languages and of course there might be some more famous or less famous companies on the market. Up till now Google are the best. Or at least they are considered the best. They are widely known, used and trusted. And they offer free translation. Having a competitor like G is not easy especially when you want to make money from machine translation services. Most of us know that machine translation does not give us the expected good result. Of course some services are a bit better than others but are way from perfect. The main competition now is between google translate and babelfish. According to me -there is no difference. The choice depends on whether you prefer google or yahoo!. Is this why some other companies claim to have a lot more services? This guy whom I mention at the beginning made me make a research about the companies which develop such translation services. I read a lot about Transclick. These have mainly focused on mobile translation but they claim to have services for translation of blogs, webpages, etc. As a matter of fact I didn't find any of these service except for TransFox. I can't say if the service is good or bad because the flash demo did not work and the link for download did not work...For this reason I am going to exclude this company from the list of possible competitors in the field of MT. The only thing that kept me wondering is why some people claim they have services which they actually DO NOT have. This might not be the only case but it is the only one I have come upon so far. Systran? Well, this is something which you have to pay for and as we know, few people want to spend money for something they can get free. As I said, competition is tough so the only thing I can do is sit and watch and wait to see who the winner will be. John, your blog made me consider MT matters. It seems that competition in the business is tough. Google are famous and have a free translation service, Facebook are having their site translated into many, many languages and of course there might be some more famous or less famous companies on the market. Up till now Google are the best. Or at least they are considered the best. They are widely known, used and trusted. And they offer free translation.

Having a competitor like G is not easy especially when you want to make money from machine translation services. Most of us know that machine translation does not give us the expected good result. Of course some services are a bit better than others but are way from perfect.

The main competition now is between google translate and babelfish. According to me -there is no difference. The choice depends on whether you prefer google or yahoo!.

Is this why some other companies claim to have a lot more services? This guy whom I mention at the beginning made me make a research about the companies which develop such translation services. I read a lot about Transclick. These have mainly focused on mobile translation but they claim to have services for translation of blogs, webpages, etc. As a matter of fact I didn’t find any of these service except for TransFox. I can’t say if the service is good or bad because the flash demo did not work and the link for download did not work…For this reason I am going to exclude this company from the list of possible competitors in the field of MT. The only thing that kept me wondering is why some people claim they have services which they actually DO NOT have.

This might not be the only case but it is the only one I have come upon so far.

Systran? Well, this is something which you have to pay for and as we know, few people want to spend money for something they can get free.

As I said, competition is tough so the only thing I can do is sit and watch and wait to see who the winner will be.

]]> By: LuisM http://www.globalbydesign.com/blog/2008/08/04/google-translation-center/comment-page-1/#comment-24864 LuisM Tue, 24 Feb 2009 18:29:50 +0000 http://www.globalbydesign.com/?p=1252#comment-24864 I couldn't but laugh when I read "the technologists have taken over...". There's no way automated translation can replace human translation. The translation industry is GROWING and is STRONGER than ever. Technology provides tools, and is not a replacement. Oh wait, Google just launched an Automatic Poetry Translation Service! Go blog about it, it's the end of the world as we know it! I couldn’t but laugh when I read “the technologists have taken over…”. There’s no way automated translation can replace human translation. The translation industry is GROWING and is STRONGER than ever. Technology provides tools, and is not a replacement. Oh wait, Google just launched an Automatic Poetry Translation Service! Go blog about it, it’s the end of the world as we know it!

]]> By: Jim the language translator http://www.globalbydesign.com/blog/2008/08/04/google-translation-center/comment-page-1/#comment-24831 Jim the language translator Sun, 22 Feb 2009 18:05:39 +0000 http://www.globalbydesign.com/?p=1252#comment-24831 Google is not a translation company and they will close this product soon as they did with most of their products besides the search engine. Translation marketplaces and online <a href="http://www.tomedes.com" rel="nofollow">language translation websites</a> are here to stay. Google is not a translation company and they will close this product soon as they did with most of their products besides the search engine.
Translation marketplaces and online language translation websites are here to stay.

]]> By: Mike Unwalla http://www.globalbydesign.com/blog/2008/08/04/google-translation-center/comment-page-1/#comment-24767 Mike Unwalla Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:13:24 +0000 http://www.globalbydesign.com/?p=1252#comment-24767 "There may be a point in time where machine translation may be good enough to replace translator, but I don’t think we’re there yet" Machine translation can give good results. Many companies use machine translation successfully. For an evaluation of machine translation, see http://www.international-english.co.uk/mt-evaluation.html. “There may be a point in time where machine translation may be good enough to replace translator, but I don’t think we’re there yet”

Machine translation can give good results. Many companies use machine translation successfully. For an evaluation of machine translation, see http://www.international-english.co.uk/mt-evaluation.html.

]]> By: cnxtrans http://www.globalbydesign.com/blog/2008/08/04/google-translation-center/comment-page-1/#comment-24359 cnxtrans Sat, 10 Jan 2009 13:43:17 +0000 http://www.globalbydesign.com/?p=1252#comment-24359 There may be a point in time where machine translation may be good enough to replace translator, but I don't think we're there yet, However, I believe a human proofreader will always be needed. There may be a point in time where machine translation may be good enough to replace translator, but I don’t think we’re there yet, However, I believe a human proofreader will always be needed.

]]> By: The TAUS take on Google Translation Center | Global by Design http://www.globalbydesign.com/blog/2008/08/04/google-translation-center/comment-page-1/#comment-24331 The TAUS take on Google Translation Center | Global by Design Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:10:39 +0000 http://www.globalbydesign.com/?p=1252#comment-24331 [...] post I wrote on the Google Translation Center has been the most-visited page on this blog over the past [...] [...] post I wrote on the Google Translation Center has been the most-visited page on this blog over the past [...]

]]> By: Jeff http://www.globalbydesign.com/blog/2008/08/04/google-translation-center/comment-page-1/#comment-24328 Jeff Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:27:52 +0000 http://www.globalbydesign.com/?p=1252#comment-24328 Guillaume, <br><br>There is indeed a difference between the existing online human translation quote/job portals and what Google is proposing. The principle is the same, however the job request broker is not. The existing portals that do this today usually have a vested interested in translation, with experienced site administrators/moderators who work in the translation field. This is often complemented by a section in those portals that is devoted to rating those who request translations (especially if they do not pay). <br><br>On the other hand, the Google Translation Center is just another derivative service offereed by Google based on years of having created a statistical based Machine Translation system and lots of experience in natural language processing. Yet, I doubt that they have a vested interest in human translation quality concerns, and the customer perspective on this.<br><br>The goal is to create a massive global Translation Memory that can be used to feed into the statistical based MT system. It's for natural language processing reasons. Guillaume,

There is indeed a difference between the existing online human translation quote/job portals and what Google is proposing. The principle is the same, however the job request broker is not. The existing portals that do this today usually have a vested interested in translation, with experienced site administrators/moderators who work in the translation field. This is often complemented by a section in those portals that is devoted to rating those who request translations (especially if they do not pay).

On the other hand, the Google Translation Center is just another derivative service offereed by Google based on years of having created a statistical based Machine Translation system and lots of experience in natural language processing. Yet, I doubt that they have a vested interest in human translation quality concerns, and the customer perspective on this.

The goal is to create a massive global Translation Memory that can be used to feed into the statistical based MT system. It's for natural language processing reasons.

]]> By: Jeff http://www.globalbydesign.com/blog/2008/08/04/google-translation-center/comment-page-1/#comment-24327 Jeff Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:16:36 +0000 http://www.globalbydesign.com/?p=1252#comment-24327 John,<br><br>A couple of weeks ago I commented on the Google Translation Center from my point of view of Machine Translation and global Translation Memory (with over a decade of experience developing, testing, deploying and using both MT and TM) at:<br><a href="http://www.translatorscafe.com/cafe/MegaBBS/thread-view.asp?threadid=12128&messageid=153257#153257">http://www.translatorscafe.com/cafe/MegaBBS/thr...</a><br><br>Jeff John,

A couple of weeks ago I commented on the Google Translation Center from my point of view of Machine Translation and global Translation Memory (with over a decade of experience developing, testing, deploying and using both MT and TM) at:
http://www.translatorscafe.com/cafe/MegaBBS/thr...

Jeff

]]> By: Anyword http://www.globalbydesign.com/blog/2008/08/04/google-translation-center/comment-page-1/#comment-24313 Anyword Tue, 02 Sep 2008 15:15:50 +0000 http://www.globalbydesign.com/?p=1252#comment-24313 Up until now, there has been, on one hand the unsatisfactory but free automatic translation programs, and on the other hand the option to pay for a professional <a href="http://www.anyword.co.uk">translation service</a> either provided by independent translators or by a <a href="http://www.anyword.co.uk">translation company</a>. It is already possible, for the more inquisitive buyer, to recruit on line their own human translator but generally speaking companies have more of a tendency to confide their projects to a translation agency.<br><br>Translation businesses bring access to professional translators in every language and in several fields of expertise. They analyse and prepare the work prior to translation, control turnaround times, serve as a point of contact both to the clients and the translators, sometimes acting as the voice of the customer to the translator and sometimes that of the translator to the client. They assure correct delivery of the final project to the client and also handle payment issues controlling client creditworthiness and assuring timely payment for themselves as well as the translator. At least this is the way we work at Anyword and how most of our competitors currently operate.<br><br>In this context is Google Translation Centre a threat to translation agencies? It is possible (and even probable) that initially a number of clients seeking to make savings will contact the translators directly. Over time these clients will either settle for the minimal solution and remain loyal to Google Translation Centre or they will wish to benefit from a veritable intermediary service and return to the agencies.<br>I do hope so. <br><br>It is however necessary to clarify an important point: the service launched by Google is not a novelty. There are already existing human translation on line recruitment systems which are extensively used the translation companies. What is new is that Google authorise the “volunteers” to register themselves as translators on their service. By “volunteer” one must understand “voluntary” and therefore in most cases “inexperienced”. This means that the customers utilising this service are running an important risk that Google refuse to endorse in their general conditions of use.<br><br>This is what makes me think that businesses, always reluctant to take unnecessary risks, will not adopt Google Translation Centre. This debate is, of course open on the <a href="http://blog.anyword.fr">Translators Observers</a> blog run by Anyword.<br><br>Guillaume de Brébisson<br><b>Anyword</b> <a href="http://www.anyword.co.uk">translation company</a> Up until now, there has been, on one hand the unsatisfactory but free automatic translation programs, and on the other hand the option to pay for a professional translation service either provided by independent translators or by a translation company. It is already possible, for the more inquisitive buyer, to recruit on line their own human translator but generally speaking companies have more of a tendency to confide their projects to a translation agency.

Translation businesses bring access to professional translators in every language and in several fields of expertise. They analyse and prepare the work prior to translation, control turnaround times, serve as a point of contact both to the clients and the translators, sometimes acting as the voice of the customer to the translator and sometimes that of the translator to the client. They assure correct delivery of the final project to the client and also handle payment issues controlling client creditworthiness and assuring timely payment for themselves as well as the translator. At least this is the way we work at Anyword and how most of our competitors currently operate.

In this context is Google Translation Centre a threat to translation agencies? It is possible (and even probable) that initially a number of clients seeking to make savings will contact the translators directly. Over time these clients will either settle for the minimal solution and remain loyal to Google Translation Centre or they will wish to benefit from a veritable intermediary service and return to the agencies.
I do hope so.

It is however necessary to clarify an important point: the service launched by Google is not a novelty. There are already existing human translation on line recruitment systems which are extensively used the translation companies. What is new is that Google authorise the “volunteers” to register themselves as translators on their service. By “volunteer” one must understand “voluntary” and therefore in most cases “inexperienced”. This means that the customers utilising this service are running an important risk that Google refuse to endorse in their general conditions of use.

This is what makes me think that businesses, always reluctant to take unnecessary risks, will not adopt Google Translation Centre. This debate is, of course open on the Translators Observers blog run by Anyword.

Guillaume de Brébisson
Anyword translation company

]]> By: dmymy http://www.globalbydesign.com/blog/2008/08/04/google-translation-center/comment-page-1/#comment-24310 dmymy Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:44:30 +0000 http://www.globalbydesign.com/?p=1252#comment-24310 I agree pretty much with Kakophony, and would only add that this service will be one tool among many to help translators both experienced and newbies to do business. The difference with ProZ is that it will provide the TM tools. <br>This is both a strength and a weakness. TM tools aren't put together like instant mashed potatoes. The development process is long and complex, even for Google. <br>BTW something similar was tried a few years back in France. It was an ASP web-based application, and in my experience with it, it was slow and not especially user-friendly. My thoughts at the time were that French developers thought that overnight they could somehow replicate the decades of experience of the central Europeans in TM technology. Anyway, this service never caught on.<br>I'd expect Google to be able to do somewhat better from the start, but the same risks are there.<br>Another risk is security of confidential information, although major firms and translation agencies seem to be oblivious to this issue: they're sending highly confidential documents by email without any form of encryption at all. My point is: will companies want confidential and even restricted information to be accessible by some sort of collocation feature (standard in TM software) in the Google global translation memory. I agree pretty much with Kakophony, and would only add that this service will be one tool among many to help translators both experienced and newbies to do business. The difference with ProZ is that it will provide the TM tools.
This is both a strength and a weakness. TM tools aren't put together like instant mashed potatoes. The development process is long and complex, even for Google.
BTW something similar was tried a few years back in France. It was an ASP web-based application, and in my experience with it, it was slow and not especially user-friendly. My thoughts at the time were that French developers thought that overnight they could somehow replicate the decades of experience of the central Europeans in TM technology. Anyway, this service never caught on.
I'd expect Google to be able to do somewhat better from the start, but the same risks are there.
Another risk is security of confidential information, although major firms and translation agencies seem to be oblivious to this issue: they're sending highly confidential documents by email without any form of encryption at all. My point is: will companies want confidential and even restricted information to be accessible by some sort of collocation feature (standard in TM software) in the Google global translation memory.

]]> By: Kakaphony http://www.globalbydesign.com/blog/2008/08/04/google-translation-center/comment-page-1/#comment-24300 Kakaphony Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:14:36 +0000 http://www.globalbydesign.com/?p=1252#comment-24300 Proz is just a site where translators gather and are gathered: the good, the bad and the ugly. Mostly the latter. Yes, most translators are on all these sites are clueless amateurs. And the new google center will not affect high-end, high-quality translators. No one seems to understand how the translation market is really segmented. Does graffiti threaten real art? Proz is just a site where translators gather and are gathered: the good, the bad and the ugly. Mostly the latter. Yes, most translators are on all these sites are clueless amateurs. And the new google center will not affect high-end, high-quality translators. No one seems to understand how the translation market is really segmented. Does graffiti threaten real art?

]]> By: liorlib http://www.globalbydesign.com/blog/2008/08/04/google-translation-center/comment-page-1/#comment-24281 liorlib Wed, 06 Aug 2008 09:04:47 +0000 http://www.globalbydesign.com/?p=1252#comment-24281 Hi John, a freelance based online translation service is already up and running at OneHourTranslation.com. OneHourTranslation provides 24/4 immediate human translations Hi John,

a freelance based online translation service is already up and running at OneHourTranslation.com.
OneHourTranslation provides 24/4 immediate human translations

]]> By: GEOTYPOGRAFIKA » Blog Archive » NYT Medals Graphic http://www.globalbydesign.com/blog/2008/08/04/google-translation-center/comment-page-1/#comment-24280 GEOTYPOGRAFIKA » Blog Archive » NYT Medals Graphic Tue, 05 Aug 2008 17:17:13 +0000 http://www.globalbydesign.com/?p=1252#comment-24280 [...] Compare the 2004 data with John Yunker’s Country Codes of the World map (also, see his recent post on the upcoming Google Translation Center. [...] [...] Compare the 2004 data with John Yunker’s Country Codes of the World map (also, see his recent post on the upcoming Google Translation Center. [...]

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